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Réponse au Sujet 'mmorpg' a été posté le : 10/10/04 14:25
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Il me semble que Pristontale est devenu payant voila quelques mois .
Et concernant le type médiéval fantastique il faut savoir que ce jeu se resume à du hack'nslash bourrin sans intéret poussé ... (du moins du temps ou il etait gratuit)
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Réponse au Sujet 'mmorpg' a été posté le : 16/10/04 13:55
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quand on aime les MMORPG en ligne on paye 
pour ma part je ne peux que recommander everquest 2 qui sortira bientot (si il est aussi bien que le 1er du nom...)
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Réponse au Sujet 'mmorpg' a été posté le : 16/10/04 18:08
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Voila un premier avis d'un betatesteur de EQ2 vu que l'on peux en parler -fin de la NDA ou Non Disclosure Agreement-, attention anglais requis :
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Well, here's my review.
The graphics are stunning. The world is beautiful. The characters are beautiful. The armor is detailed and the spell effects are amazing. There's still a lot of lag and things get pretty choppy for me at high population times. Where I don't get any kind of lag in EQ1 except in Bazaar and the PoK bank, and absolutely nowhere in WoW, I get it all over the place in EQ2. It's getting better, but it's not fixed enough yet. I usually get a headache from the choppiness after about an hour of play time. I did have a problem being able to see when I first logged in, but once I changed the gamma setting, I was fine.
The tutorial is definitely a good thing to do the first time you get in. The UI is different from EQ1 and it will take some getting used to. Use the tutorial. When you go back to make a second character, you have the option to skip the tutorial, and be automatically put on the Isle of Refuge at level 2 with the items you would have gotten on the tutorial, so no loss once you know how to use the UI.
So far there's not much variance in armor on anyone. But I'm sure that will change as players get higher level and find (or make) different armor sets. So that's not really a complaint.
I do dislike the fact that, while there are solo mobs and solo quests, it's very obvious that the devs really would prefer it if you group. A number of the mobs required to complete quests, even at early stages, require groups to do so. And you don't get any clue from the quest itself that you're going to need a group. You find that out when you find the mob. My quest journal is full of quests I can't complete alone and haven't been able to get a group to help me with.
On the plus side, you can instantly tell what mobs are going to need groups and which ones are solo. There are little arrows beside the mob name for mobs that require help. Below the mobs name when you target it, it will say solo or group, but that's not always as accurate an indicator, since I've been able to solo mobs that said they were group mobs - however none of those had the arrows beside their name. The arrows are MUCH more accurate indicators of the mob's strength. Even if the mob is blue to you, you're not going to be able to take it down solo if it has 2 arrows next to it. Also, mobs that are KoS have a red outline around the letters of their name. So just by mousing over them, you know which mobs will want to eat you. That's a nice difference from having to stop and con every mob you run into.
One of the things I absolutely DETEST, however, comes from grouping. When you're in a group, as soon as one person in the group engages a mob, everyone in the group pulls their weapons and goes into a fighting stance. A stance which makes it not only absurd looking, but really difficult to run. A number of times when I've been grouped and have died, I will be running back to join my group, only to suddenly go into fighting stance and sideways waddle instead of running. That's horribly, horribly irritating.
The quests are good. They give you a really significant amount of experience for doing them, unlike in EQ1 where after about level 10 you could forget even being able to see your experience bar move for completing even your epic quest. There are plenty of quests, from killing to finding to delivering. Some of them have interesting story lines and are quite enjoyable to do - until you get to the part where you can't finish it because you need a group and no-one else is killing those sunsprites right now... Still, there are plenty of solo quests that can be done. No need to stand around camping this or that for experience. Just go fill up your quest log and start running around to different zones completing them, picking up more as you go. I'm a VERY casual player and it still didn't take me long to get to level 9 with my priest where it was time to make a choice about my class.
The choice of class, right now, really doesn't make a huge difference in what you're playing. Choose an archetype you like, because that's what you're going to be playing - scout, fighter, priest or mage. There are minor differences between the classes and sub-classes, but they're really minor right now. Shaman's get a wraith form or a bear form depending on subclass. Druids get a wolf form or a lion form depending on subclass. All four forms do exactly the same thing. All six priest subclasses get the exact same rez spells at exactly the same levels. Druids and shaman get a SoW spell. Clerics get a teleport that sends the target to their home city (which I really don't understand since everyone gets a spell that takes them back to their home city).
Mobs are "locked" to whichever person or group first casts on them. No KS'ing here. Unfortunately, once you're locked in an encounter, no-one outside your group can cast on you either. Which means when I see someone soloing a mob and about to die, I can't help them out by throwing them a quick heal. For some people that isn't really going to make any difference. For me it's a real irritant.
Some of the mobs you fight will drop chests. The nicest loot is in the chests. The chests, however, are trapped a la LDoN chests. They're still tuning the trap strengths (thank GOD, since one of them the other night killed me in one shot when I was at full health). Scouts have the ability to disarm the traps on chests, which is a big plus for having a scout in your group. Believe me, if you're in a group, you want the scout.
I dislike the tradeskills. I was an obsessive tradeskiller in EQ1. I don't like them at all in EQ2. The UI does have the benefit of making it nearly impossible to macro, so that's something going for it. And it does find all your ingredients in your bags for you, so no clicking and dropping. But you're still at the mercy of the random number generator. There are still failures where you'll lose a complete level on the item you're working on. Each item has 4 levels - crude, shaped, regular and pristine. Being able to make pristine is very very rare. Most of the time you can pull off regular, but occasionally I had failures that threw me all the way back down to shaped which was horribly frustrating. And while you're not clicking and dropping, what you're really doing now is playing a game of Simon with the computer while trying to watch your progress. As you work you will get incidents down at the bottom of your window, things like daydreaming, wrong ingredients, or noisy distraction. You then have to click the correct counter for whichever incident has popped up. If you don't you take physical damage. Tradeskilling can, quite literally, kill you if you don't pay attention to what you're doing. Don't let the kids distract you or the phone ring while you're in the middle of a run. And don't even think of carrying on a conversation in game while you're tradeskilling.
All in all, I think the game is going to be good for power gamers (and by power gamers, I don't mean big raiders - I mean people who spend half their life playing the game). There's a lot to do, and you need a lot of time to do it. If you're a casual player who only plays an hour or so a night, you're probably going to get frustrated with your lack of progress and how quickly you're left behind. If you have a lot of time to spend in the game, you'll love it.
Personally, I think they're making a mistake by trying to rush it out to retail. A couple of more months of tuning and working on the lag (a BIG problem, but getting better at every patch) and fixing the small bugs still in the game would be much better than racing WoW to the shelves and releasing with a lot of problems.
Regardless, the game is fun and interesting and I predict it will do well. If you're burned out on EQ1 but still want to stay in Norrath, convince your friends to give EQ2 a try. If you start the game with a ready group, you're in for a fantastic ride.
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Réponse au Sujet 'mmorpg' a été posté le : 17/10/04 10:58
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moi personelement je recommande ragnarok online(l essayé c'est l adopté) et actuelement mon gros coup de coeur c'est gunbound(surtout qu'il y a une communauté française assez active et bien sympa!!!)
www.gunbound.net pour le site officiel
et http://membres.lycos.fr/gunboundfr/Invision pour le forum!!!!
passez nous voir!!!!
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Réponse au Sujet 'mmorpg' a été posté le : 30/11/04 02:20
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Je me pose une question au sujet des serveurs "pirates" de mmorpg.
Dans la mesure ou ces serveurs ne sont pas des copies illegales des serveurs originaux mais des produits du reverse engineering, leur existence et leur utilisation sont elles illegales ?
Ou alors il y a des elements de la licence d'utilisation des logiciels clients qui interdisent ce genre de comportement ?
Parce que ce qui me gene avec des jeux genre everquest, c'est de payer l'abonnement et le logiciel en sachant que le logiciel ne vaut rien sans l'abonnement.
Je ne lance pas un troll sur les infames compagnies capitalistes, je me pose juste vraiment la question (ayant connu des heures de plaisir avec des serveurs "pirates" d'ultima online).
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Réponse au Sujet 'mmorpg' a été posté le : 30/11/04 05:47
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Pour pouvoir faire tourner des "copies" de serveurs, il faut d'abord faire du reverse-engineering
Donc dès le départ, les personnes qui gèrent ces serveurs sont dans l'illegalité (le reverse-engineering est inscrit en tant qu'illegal dans la plupart des EULA des MMORPG, et même des jeux offlines classiques).
Oui, il est vrai que pour EQ, maintenant que EQ2 est sorti et que l' "Exodus" massif est fait, il ne vaut plus grand chose, mais il n'existe pas encore de clause d'autorisation de creation de "mod" officiel, et generalement ce genre de licence ne se voit pas apparaitre au bout de 20 ans ou plus.
Nb: ceci dit, rien ne t'empeche de creer ton propre serveur, il existe de nombreux sites à ce sujet. Je ne pense pas que SOE va te poursuivre pour cela, bien qu'il en ait la capacité (c'est comme le cas du p2p). Par contre, bon courage pour creer ce type de serveur, car il est assez difficile d'en entretenir un avec au mieux 50 joueurs.
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Dernière mise à jour par : Dahna le 30/11/04 08:01
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Réponse au Sujet 'mmorpg' a été posté le : 30/11/04 17:58
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Si je prends l'exemple de la suite Office de Microsoft et de son pendant OpenOffice, il y a clairement un effort de reverse engineering, pourtant en France, OpenOffice est tout ce qu'il y a de plus légal.
Je n'ai jamais entendu parler de serveurs "pirates" pour d'autres jeux qu'Ultima, ceci dit je ne me tiens pas très au courant. J'imagine la difficulté de concevoir un tel programme sans connaitre les sources de l'original et je ne peux donc que saluer le travail des programmeurs qui passent, j'imagine, des nuits a tenter de comprendre le protocole de communication client-serveur en regardant les entrees/sorties de leur jeu.
Y'a des gens qui en veulent.
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Réponse au Sujet 'mmorpg' a été posté le : 30/11/04 18:54
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Article 7 & 8 de l'EULA d'EQ:
Citation :7. Subject to the terms of this Agreement, we hereby grant to you a non-exclusive, non-transferable, revocable
license to use the Software solely in connection with playing the Game via an authorized and fully-paid
Account. You may not copy (except to make one necessary back-up copy), distribute, sell, auction, rent, lease,
loan, modify or create derivative works, adapt, translate, perform, display, sublicense or transfer all or any portion
of the Software. You may not copy any of the written materials accompanying the Software. You may not
reverse engineer, disassemble or decompile the Software except to the extent that this restriction is expressly prohibited
by applicable law. The Software may contain license management software that restricts your use of the
Software.
8. We and our suppliers shall retain all rights, title and interest, including, without limitation, ownership of all
intellectual property rights relating to or residing in the CD-ROM, the Software and the Game, all copies thereof,
and all game character data in connection therewith. You acknowledge and agree that you have not and will not
acquire or obtain any intellectual property or other rights, including any right of exploitation, of any kind in or to
the CD-ROM, the Software or the Game, including, without limitation, in any character(s), item(s), coin(s) or
other material or property, and that all such property, material and items are exclusively owned by us.
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Officiellement, non, tu n'as pas le droit de modifier le dossier ni te déclarer en tant qu'auteur des modifications. Pas tant que tu veuilles exploiter financierement ces modification.
Je suppose que pour OpenOffice, le logiciel est gratuit et sous GNU licence, et je suppose qu'ils ont eu le droit d'effectuer des modifications.
Ce n'est pas le cas pour EQ, dont la licence commerciale fonctionne toujours.
Bien entendu, tout cela est officiel, tu peux faire ce que bon te semble et il n'y aura que ta mauvaise conscience comme épée de Damocles.
Aprés tout, les "shards" de UO sont presque officialisés, il existe une pléthore de serveurs "parallèles" de Ragnarock, EQ, Lineage II...et puis, si on regarde bien, la multiplicité de ces serveurs démontrent bien que les joueurs ne sont pas satisfaits des serveurs officiels actuels...et donc de la qualité du MMORPG.
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Réponse au Sujet 'mmorpg' a été posté le : 10/04/08 12:36
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j'ai un coréen gratos récemment traduit en français et qui fait référence à Naheulbeuk (pour une semaine)
FlyForFun : On passe 15 niveaux à taper du monstre, on choisit une des trois classes et on recommence. Niveau 20, on peut acheter un balai ou une planche volante et aussi tuer les autres joueurs de niveau 20 ou plus.
edit : lien vers une image plus grande dans l'image.
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